the kinetic tfr project

This is the work of Joshua Jones. Joshua made this bad ass bike from a TFR. Note the rigid frame and variator. Nice work Joshua. Nice work.

70cc polini Kit
13.13 delitoro Carb
Modified Polini Air Filter Box
Base wiring
Cdi Ignition system
Promo circuit Exhaust
Variated Transmission and Lower bracket from Vespa Grande
Hard Tail Mod
17 inch vespa Mag wheels
Perilli racing tires

Saying that I am taking these guys off my list of recommended moped part vendors is sort of an understatemtent. In June, I sent them over $500 for an order. They shipped it to the wrong address and it disappeared. They are not doing anything about it and I don’t really expect to get anything out of them at this point after trying for several months. They have been placating and ignoring my attempts to get my parts or my money back and I can only hope, now, to make sure people know what they did. They are in Germany and there isn’t much I can do. I’m glad it was just $500.

I should have known better. The first order that i put in with them took 5 weeks to arrive. That isn’t any kind of exaggeration. It was five weeks exactly from the day that i received confirmation that they shipped it to the day that i actually got the package. They don’t even ship it in a way that requires a signature. Your regular neighborhood postman just sits the box on your porch and moves on. I asked them about alternate shipping companies (even offering to pay a little more for it) and they told me that that they could not work with anyone other than Deutsche Post/USPS. Which is kind of messed up - doesn’t Deutsche Post own DHL?

It’s a bummer. They must not like exchanging moped parts for money. Most of my 50cc.nl orders arrive within a week from the ship date. They seemed to have solved the shipping puzzle.

The other thing about mopshop.de is that you have to transfer the money to them via wire, so there is no chance of getting your money back like there would be if you used a credit card.

If you have to go overseas to get parts, I recommend 50cc.nl, Scootertuning.ch, and Cycle-tech.com. I have had good experiences with them. At least they respond to email within a few days. I would use Fred’s MoParts.tk shop before i used mopshop.de again.

Meanwhile, while I am waiting for my money to reappear, read the post below. Fred’s pics are awesome.

Hello everyone and thanks for all the emails in the last few months. I have been taking a break from writing and moped work to focus on some other things including the birth of our son, Charles.

The following is from a guy in Holland that i have exchanged email with who is modding some bikes. He sent me these pics and the bike with the sprocatti engine blew me away. This is nuts. You have to see Fred’s work:

Ryan,

Nice to hear from you.

This is my Sprocatti (Gilera Citta) project, all the pics;
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Album=34NUIF8H
This was my old Vespa Ciao project, now traded for my ever so special Sprocatti Engine:
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-IGV7KGTO.jpg
http://www.mijnalbum.nl/Foto-PZK3QZWJ.jpg

My webshop, still to be updated, is www.MoParts.tk
I know shipping often takes time, but months? I have recently changed my shipping too; however it only takes 4 to 8 days with me!

Fred

So there has been an issue for a long time getting larger carbs on to Vespa mopeds (Ciao, Bravo, Grande, Si) and Kinetic TFRs. The main issue is that the intake manifold is built in to the larger crank case half and the shape of the port is part of the timing valve. So you really can’t bore it out much more than it is. The other issue is just a lack of space. the carb and air filter are a super tight fit back there with little room for a larger carb.

Simonini came up with this mod to your crank case that has a reed valve and 3 options for intake manifold sizes. I bought this from Cycle-Tech in Switzerland. They were friendly, but the shipping took 7 weeks. Seriously. No exaggeration.

Anyway, it looks like this:

Assembled:

With 21mm Dellorto PBGH racing carb:

There is a drawback and that is you have to make a hole in your subframe to get the carb through. Once you do, if you keep the carb pointing back, it will get in the way of the pedals. I am thinking about getting a manifold that is bent in a “U” so the carb and filter are not in the way of the pedals.

Oh, i almost forgot to mention that this does not interfere with the old carb in any way. I am thinking about keeping it on in addition to the simonini.

Hopefully I will have this on by the end of the summer. I am working on a couple of other mopeds right now, too. I may start posting about those as well at some point.

I just posted a ton of info on a moped army forum and though i would capture it here as well:

You can get Polini Evo engines a few places like:

http://www.50cc.nl

or from one of these two places that are in Germany and Switzerland respectively - unfortunately, their sites are in German but you can use Google language tools to translate and the shipping takes 5 weeks:

http://www.cycle-tech.com/
click through to Enter Now > Mofa

the above sites are a pain because they are in german, but they will blow your mind with how much shit they stock.

here is a link to a polini evo on that site. It comes with a pbgh 19mm carb and airbox and if you get a polini kit with it, the ports are already matched. The price is in swiss franks (not dollars).

here are the parts that you need for another carb that hangs off the side of the engine (from this one from simonini allows you to attach a 26mm carb):
http://www.cycle-tech.com/10309.htm

interestingly enough there is another thread on this forum right now that talks about a vespa bravo that has two carbs. this would allow you to have duel carbs quite easily because the intake on this piece is in a different location and doesn’t interfere with the old intake. So you could easily split your case, replace the smaller part with this simoni reedvalve intake part, hook up a 26mm carb and not even bother to take your old carb off. Then you just have to coordinate two throttle cables. I am guessing that that would be a little too much gas/air for a stock engine, but if it holds up… dang.

One step beyond the stock engine mods is a complete setup from simonini. If you have never seen these before, they should blow your mind. they are abut $1500 and 100cc and there are two models. (again, though you will need to mod your frame):
http://www.simonini-racing.com/piaggio1.htm

Finally, if that didn’t blow your mind, I hope this does - It is a complete 100cc engine with 30mm carb that uses a rotary valve intake system and a CDI from sprocatti motori. the cylinder and head look funny because they are liquid cooled. I have been trying to get my hands on one for a while. They are not very responsive via email, and the whole thing will run you about $2200 with a coolant system that includes a radiator and pump. This requires a hole in the subframe as well, but after that, I think it would bolt right up to a vespa ciao, bravo, grande, or a kinetic tfr.

http://www.sprocatti-motori.com/Kit_completo_ciao.htm

Check out the rest of the site, too. they are making some other sick engines for vespa.

if you do a You Tube search for “sprocatti motori”, you will see a bunch of videos from europe of guys riding wheelies on ciaos.